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Cool Name · Oct 17, 2010, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Being a PVE kind of guy, I only played PVP on and off until HoM update. And even then it was only AB and CM. But when I saw you "need" a PVP title I thought I'd give it a go. I chose RA because having no rank I get no PUG in HA. So I start playing RA. I try B surge ele, dom mes, even a fail derv but nothing gets any succesive wins. Even if I got lucky and got a monk in my team, we'd usually have no melee and just get rolled. So I try monk and I start getting successive wins, even some glad points and a 15+ streak. Then I decide I must be getting better so I try dom mes and B surge ele again... nothing.

Long story short: Does anyone else find the only way to get points is to monk? If you don't have a monk you lose, and if you aren't the monk then you rarely have one on your team.

*lemming* · Oct 17, 2010, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Monking is definitely the easiest way to get glad points, although the frustration of having three teammates who can't kill is usually enough to turn me off from it.

awry · Oct 18, 2010, 12:46 AM // 00:46

oh yes the dilemna of either going healing or damage... You can't trust others to monk for you and you can't trust others to do dmg. After a while I find characters that are versatile and can support to be the best. FF necro is one example, you can curse, hex spam and help support even mediocre monks to get a good streak running.

But those builds you've described aren't bad, but you've got to get in your head a certain frame of mind. You can't rely on anyone so you've got to baby your monk, ie backline for him, help rupt spells on him, etc etc. Some monks can give you a large timeframe to attack, others are as brittle as glass. A lot of these pvx builds are designed on the fact that the monk is competent, don't assume this.

Shayne Hawke · Oct 18, 2010, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Monking is a good way to ensure you get glad points. Of course, you can't really take my word for it, because I've never monk'd seriously for a day in my life.

If you aren't going to play monk, play something in the meta, or something that seems to be a decent counter in the meta (if you can find it). Use whatever build may be most comfortable to you.

Also, in case I could steer your direction of getting a PvP title at all, Costume Brawl is coming up soon, and you'll have at least a week to be earning points towards Gamer. oh wow, nevermind.

deluxe · Oct 18, 2010, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Play monk during euro daytimes. Leave teams that don't have proper damage.
I sometimes play at night, when americans start playing... You really can't get a decent group during those times

When I enter during the euro times, it doesn't take a lot of time before you find a team to go to 25 wins.

Reverend Dr · Oct 18, 2010, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by lemming

Monking is definitely the easiest way to get glad points, although the frustration of having three teammates who can't kill is usually enough to turn me off from it.

This is why I quit monking in RA. This was long before glad points. I had too many matches that my 3 "offensive" characters couldn't kill a team with little to no defense and I was the only thing keeping them up. Then when I'd just stop and let everyone die, they'd blame the monk.

Oh, but its still probably the fastest way to get glad points.

urania · Oct 18, 2010, 07:55 AM // 07:55

whenever i decide to monk the number of my "streaks" equals 1 win or loss because i usually leave my horrible or multihealer teams after each match, so i cant confirm monking is the easiest way to get glads.
hex spamming is easier, id say.

Asda che ti Passa · Oct 18, 2010, 08:12 AM // 08:12

fastest way to get glad points is sync

btw in my experience ranger if well played is the glad points farmer

Jeydra · Oct 18, 2010, 08:33 AM // 08:33

I can confirm that Monking is the fastest way to get Gladiator points. Sure, you get games where your teammates can't deal damage etc, but if you have an otherwise-average team you can easily Monk them onto a streak.

Sirius Bsns · Oct 18, 2010, 08:36 AM // 08:36

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Originally Posted by Asda che ti Passa

fastest way to get glad points is sync

btw in my experience ranger if well played is the glad points farmer

What's your secret in a 1/4 - 3/4 second cast, 40/40 meta? I can camp a caster all day long, but less than 1/2 of my rupts ever catch anything. Also, recurring blinds and block stances. Not even Magebane and M.Touch can cope. Also, there's so much condition removal that Apply Poison wears thin. The only use I find in it is covering conditions when a warrior, sin, or ele, almost kill somebody off. And lastly, lag! >.<

Asda che ti Passa · Oct 18, 2010, 08:59 AM // 08:59

well you need to catch 3/4 cast with your reflex if not is useless. Also is important to know the other player builds. Most of the players are buttonsmashers so they will just press in sequence the skill not even thinking of faking the skill. You also need to know the key skills to dshot and how to play looking on the pressure your team got.

Basicaly Key skills to rupt are.
Diversion
Shame
Empathy
Insidious
Fainth (this is a must)
Bsurge

and few more. As long as you get this shit out your melee's will put out dmg and your monk wont whipe if not retarded.

Btw Magebane is useless take Melandru best elite ever for ranger

Missing HB · Oct 18, 2010, 09:37 AM // 09:37

I don't really play a lot this arena due to all its problems , but i usually either go there with poison/rupts ranger or PD mes with backfire/empathy/shame and stuff. Only point is to do some pressure and rupt all Rez Signets....

Swahnee · Oct 18, 2010, 09:52 AM // 09:52

Monk and Ranger (in this order) are the classes with which it's easier for me to make glad points. I've also done something nice with my warrior, but i was playing it for fun, not caring about glads.

Asda che ti Passa · Oct 18, 2010, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by Swahnee

Monk and Ranger (in this order) are the classes with which it's easier for me to make glad points. I've also done something nice with my warrior, but i was playing it for fun, not caring about glads.

I almost agree with you

with the almost i mean some people cant play monk, like me, and monk result just in a waste of time

Killed u man · Oct 18, 2010, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Off Topic: I've done a personal experiment not too long ago about the chances of getting certain teammates (professions) when on certain professions yourself. Anet always claimed there is no code in place whatsoever to organize teams, however, me and many other people "feel" that whenever you're on a non-Monk, you never seem to get a Monk, whereas if you're on a Monk, you always seem to get a Monk.

I did about 500 entries, of which 100 on various professions, and whilst being a relatively low amount, whenever I played on Monk, I teamed up with another Monk with a far larger % of the time than with other professions. (It wasn't a minor difference)

I was going to post a guru thread about this, but given the state of the game, aswell as the fact that Anet, nor the community, prolly won't give a shit, I decided to let it go, but I personally came to the conformation that when playing on a Monk, the game really does try to screw you by teaming you up with another Monk.

Up to this day, I still have the same symptom. Yesterday I went in about 20 as a warrior, I got 1 Monk 1 time, that's it. I rerolled to a Monk, and the first team (not kidding) 3 Monks. The next 10 tries orso (with the exception of 1 or 2), I got teamed up with another Monk, thus resulting in me leaving every time to re-enter.

I decided to roll back to warrior comming to the conclusion there is more Monks playing as opposed to other professions. Went in about 10 times, not a single Monk. I left RA for the pile of shit it is...

On Topic:

In the off-chance you get a decent team set-up (be it as Monk or anything else), you're best off playing the Monk, as the Monk usually makes or breaks the game. If you're good that is. If you're bad a Monking, you're best off playing a hex necro or a mind wrack mesmer. They're hyper-effective, and require nearly no insight or input, perfect starter bar for someone new to PvP.

Asda che ti Passa · Oct 18, 2010, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

On Topic:

In the off-chance you get a decent team set-up (be it as Monk or anything else), you're best off playing the Monk, as the Monk usually makes or breaks the game. If you're good that is. If you're bad a Monking, you're best off playing a hex necro or a mind wrack mesmer. They're hyper-effective, and require nearly no insight or input, perfect starter bar for someone new to PvP.

There is where i dont agree with you. Playing Ranger or Pblock you break the game of others. Mind-wrack is braindead(hey watch my low energy set). A hex necro is easy but not that easy. If you wanna play something hyper-effective and braindead play mb with cloack thats.
Still im bad with monk but that dont mean im new to pvp. If in a run of 25 wins you face 15 teams with monk and you dshot woh like 30-35 times while spreading poison, res controling, key skills rupting you are doing the difference to your team and even 2 other bad players/caster/noobs will be enough to kill everything when you got a monk.
For this reason i keep playing my melandru bar since a lot of time cause playing monk if you are not covered by your midline will be frustrating monks are always happy to see me in team. A Ranger that know the meta and cares about is monk is enough to farm 25 wins in ra you dont need a good team you just need a good ranger and a decent monk so for this reason i will say ranger is the best ra points farmer

Cool Name · Oct 18, 2010, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by Asda che ti Passa

There is where i dont agree with you. Playing Ranger or Pblock you break the game of others. Mind-wrack is braindead(hey watch my low energy set). A hex necro is easy but not that easy. If you wanna play something hyper-effective and braindead play mb with cloack thats.
Still im bad with monk but that dont mean im new to pvp. If in a run of 25 wins you face 15 teams with monk and you dshot woh like 30-35 times while spreading poison, res controling, key skills rupting you are doing the difference to your team and even 2 other bad players/caster/noobs will be enough to kill everything when you got a monk.
For this reason i keep playing my melandru bar since a lot of time cause playing monk if you are not covered by your midline will be frustrating monks are always happy to see me in team. A Ranger that know the meta and cares about is monk is enough to farm 25 wins in ra you dont need a good team you just need a good ranger and a decent monk so for this reason i will say ranger is the best ra points farmer

I agree that a good ranger can help a lot. I've had games where I never have a moment without shame or diversion on me, and me pinging this constantly doesn't make them realise they should go for the Mes instead, if they don't want to die. Think I'll try go ranger for the fun of it, try get my reactions up to speed.

Also, to the person who said you get monks on your team way more often when you are a monk.. I can't help but sympathise. I'm not going to say it's coded like that, because there is no reason Anet would do that but.. I'm sure it happens more times than is likely.

Ariena Najea · Oct 18, 2010, 01:15 PM // 13:15

I find Monk easy for getting streaks for the reasons already explained. I am surprised though that others do not seem to find Warrior effective; I frequently go in a with Devastating Hammer bar and get nice streaks. Even mediocre Monks can survive versus most teams as long as you lineback/disrupt a bit. It also keeps matches short, since you generally deal far more damage than the average RA player.

Missing HB · Oct 18, 2010, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Off Topic: I've done a personal experiment not too long ago about the chances of getting certain teammates (professions) when on certain professions yourself. Anet always claimed there is no code in place whatsoever to organize teams, however, me and many other people "feel" that whenever you're on a non-Monk, you never seem to get a Monk, whereas if you're on a Monk, you always seem to get a Monk.

I did about 500 entries, of which 100 on various professions, and whilst being a relatively low amount, whenever I played on Monk, I teamed up with another Monk with a far larger % of the time than with other professions. (It wasn't a minor difference)

Got the same problem usually , but i don't believe this is really right , considering that opponent team always has exactly 1 monk for me . I could add an other thing i noticed too : when you don't have monk , you ALWAYS fight a team with monk on 5th consec . But well , that's just aswell an observation ....
I guess we're just not lucky enough for that arena ....

Swahnee · Oct 18, 2010, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Usually these feelings are a matter of perception. Since you consider "normal" having a monk (and only one) in your team, and "bad" not having one (and facing a team which has one), or having more than one, and considering that it's easier to remember things you defined "bad" than things you defined "normal", here's your perception that something is wrong, or against you: you simply remember more easily the things that went wrong. This happens also in real life (they always call me when i'm having a shower! - How many times did they call me when i wasn't?)

However, that 500 matches analisys the other guy was talking to is making me mumble.